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	<description>Dyspeptic grumblings about tertiary education</description>
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		<title>Comment on Milestones or millstones? by The curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/milestones-or-millstones/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>The curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Piter - thanks for the kind words. My reasons for this blog are basically to question the things that we tend to take for granted. If we are doing something in education simply because that&#039;s the way it has always been done, I believe that is not good enough as a reason. And if we adopt new technologies just because they are new, that&#039;s not good enough either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Piter &#8211; thanks for the kind words. My reasons for this blog are basically to question the things that we tend to take for granted. If we are doing something in education simply because that&#8217;s the way it has always been done, I believe that is not good enough as a reason. And if we adopt new technologies just because they are new, that&#8217;s not good enough either!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Milestones or millstones? by PiterKokoniz</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/milestones-or-millstones/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>PiterKokoniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello !!! ^_^
I am Piter Kokoniz. Just want to tell, that I like your blog very much!
And want to ask you: what was the reasson for you to start this blog?
Sorry for my bad english:)
Tnx!
Your Piter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello !!! ^_^<br />
I am Piter Kokoniz. Just want to tell, that I like your blog very much!<br />
And want to ask you: what was the reasson for you to start this blog?<br />
Sorry for my bad english:)<br />
Tnx!<br />
Your Piter</p>
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		<title>Comment on Milestones or millstones? by RaiulBaztepo</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/milestones-or-millstones/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>RaiulBaztepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource! 
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I&#039;v just started to learn this language ;)
See you! 
Your, Raiul Baztepo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!<br />
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource!<br />
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I&#8217;v just started to learn this language <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
See you!<br />
Your, Raiul Baztepo</p>
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		<title>Comment on Web 2.0 Attention Deficit Disorder Epidemic Strikes Educators! by Trish</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/web-20-attention-deficit-disorder-epidemic-strikes-educators/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MMM!  just catching up on all this edutechnobabble and trying to sort out the wheat from the proverbial.  Great work in supporting Linnet with her ning.  She&#039;s inspired and I&#039;m intrigued by her shining eyes on the topic.  Now I just need a podcast or microchip that gets me up to speed on all that I should know [but don&#039;t know cos no one at VU  has engaged me sufficiently!] about elearning.
TMC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MMM!  just catching up on all this edutechnobabble and trying to sort out the wheat from the proverbial.  Great work in supporting Linnet with her ning.  She&#8217;s inspired and I&#8217;m intrigued by her shining eyes on the topic.  Now I just need a podcast or microchip that gets me up to speed on all that I should know [but don't know cos no one at VU  has engaged me sufficiently!] about elearning.<br />
TMC</p>
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		<title>Comment on eLearning: Communities of Practice and the Quarantining of Knowledge by Recent Links Tagged With &#34;jaycross&#34; - JabberTags</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/elearning-communities-of-practice-and-the-quarantining-of-knowledge/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Links Tagged With &#34;jaycross&#34; - JabberTags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Milestones or millstones? by Wendell</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/milestones-or-millstones/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what &quot;holographic in nature&quot; means, but your description of &quot;the process of building a learning environment&quot; sounds a lot like the process of &quot;managing a class of adult learners&quot; or, more simply, &quot;learning&quot;.

Staving off managers with their pre-determined curriculum objectives and lock-step, universal learning programs is a constant part of my adult literacy work.  You say, &quot;Creating learning experiences shouldn’t be about ‘us’ vs ‘them’.&quot;  I wish it weren&#039;t.  But it&#039;s not me calling them into meetings to impose goals and objectives.

Interesting that you should refer to this as becoming &quot;corporatised&quot;.  In my world, these &quot;business methodologies&quot; are being applied by long-time civil servants.  I think they&#039;re simply &quot;boss methodologies&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what &#8220;holographic in nature&#8221; means, but your description of &#8220;the process of building a learning environment&#8221; sounds a lot like the process of &#8220;managing a class of adult learners&#8221; or, more simply, &#8220;learning&#8221;.</p>
<p>Staving off managers with their pre-determined curriculum objectives and lock-step, universal learning programs is a constant part of my adult literacy work.  You say, &#8220;Creating learning experiences shouldn’t be about ‘us’ vs ‘them’.&#8221;  I wish it weren&#8217;t.  But it&#8217;s not me calling them into meetings to impose goals and objectives.</p>
<p>Interesting that you should refer to this as becoming &#8220;corporatised&#8221;.  In my world, these &#8220;business methodologies&#8221; are being applied by long-time civil servants.  I think they&#8217;re simply &#8220;boss methodologies&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Web 2.0 Attention Deficit Disorder Epidemic Strikes Educators! by The curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/web-20-attention-deficit-disorder-epidemic-strikes-educators/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>The curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John. 

&quot;Know your destination before you elect a mode of transport.&quot;  Love it.

Or as a fellow instructional designer told me: &quot;Most of my clients ask me to build them a boat. But what they really want is a way to cross the river ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John. </p>
<p>&#8220;Know your destination before you elect a mode of transport.&#8221;  Love it.</p>
<p>Or as a fellow instructional designer told me: &#8220;Most of my clients ask me to build them a boat. But what they really want is a way to cross the river &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s time to retire Web 2.0 by John Larkin</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/its-time-to-retire-web-20/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>John Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. I  have ranted against the terminology yet I have given up. I felt like Canute trying to push back the bloody tide. Web Poo, Point - Oh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I  have ranted against the terminology yet I have given up. I felt like Canute trying to push back the bloody tide. Web Poo, Point &#8211; Oh!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Web 2.0 Attention Deficit Disorder Epidemic Strikes Educators! by John Larkin</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/web-20-attention-deficit-disorder-epidemic-strikes-educators/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>John Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. What do the students need to achieve? What are the desired outcomes? What are the traditional approaches? Is there an approach that employs technology that can augment the traditional and perhaps add value? Then add the technology and employ the most appropriate tool for the task. 
Know your destination before your elect a mode of transport.
Curmudgeon on!
Cheers, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. What do the students need to achieve? What are the desired outcomes? What are the traditional approaches? Is there an approach that employs technology that can augment the traditional and perhaps add value? Then add the technology and employ the most appropriate tool for the task.<br />
Know your destination before your elect a mode of transport.<br />
Curmudgeon on!<br />
Cheers, John</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;What can I build with this chisel?&#8221; by Sharon Boller</title>
		<link>http://thwartwise.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/what-can-i-build-with-this-chisel/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon Boller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post brought a smile to my face. My company IS a learning solutions company that routinely designs solutions for an array of corporate clients. It would be very odd NOT to have customers coming to us with the proposed tool already in hand when they request that we build something.

This isn&#039;t unique to Web 2.0 technologies, though. It&#039;s been going on as long as I&#039;ve been in the business...which is a long time. Whatever technology is hot, is the technology folks are sure they need to be using.

It is the learning designer&#039;s job to help the client marry up the right solution and the right building tools. When I entered the learning industry, video was the hot rage. Suddenly, everything that was done as instructor-led could be done better on video. We simply keep swapping out technologies - but the behavior never really changes. 

I look at it this way - part of what I bring to the table in expertise in tools and solutions. Customers trust that we&#039;ll help them figure out both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post brought a smile to my face. My company IS a learning solutions company that routinely designs solutions for an array of corporate clients. It would be very odd NOT to have customers coming to us with the proposed tool already in hand when they request that we build something.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t unique to Web 2.0 technologies, though. It&#8217;s been going on as long as I&#8217;ve been in the business&#8230;which is a long time. Whatever technology is hot, is the technology folks are sure they need to be using.</p>
<p>It is the learning designer&#8217;s job to help the client marry up the right solution and the right building tools. When I entered the learning industry, video was the hot rage. Suddenly, everything that was done as instructor-led could be done better on video. We simply keep swapping out technologies &#8211; but the behavior never really changes. </p>
<p>I look at it this way &#8211; part of what I bring to the table in expertise in tools and solutions. Customers trust that we&#8217;ll help them figure out both.</p>
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